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[00:00:00] Speaker A: This is the All1Nerds podcast where we are bridging the gap between the stethoscope and the soul and getting back to the human side of healthcare.
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[00:00:32] Speaker A: Did you know that a study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science showed that a positive mindset can increase your lifespan by up to seven years? And Henry Ford says it best. Whether you think you can or you think you can't, you're right. Welcome to this episode of all one Nurse Podcast where I'm your host, Nurse Chanel Tompkins. And Joining me is Dr. Khalilisa Earle, who who is an advanced nurse practitioner, transformational life coach and a professor who teaches nursing students. Dr. Earle has also authored her first book, Unlock youk Infinite Mind Starter Kit, which focuses on helping individuals recognize their current situations and foster a better self awareness. She's been featured on Women Thrive Media and her episode is titled beyond you'd Limits, Finding the Power to Rise above and From Nursing to Coaching Coach Kali's Bold Career Now, Coach Kali emphasizes the importance of purpose, resilience, emotional intelligence and strategic thinking to empower individuals like ourselves to reshape our lives in a way that's more meaningful. Now, if you've been with me on TikTok, you'll know that I have been big on personal growth and growing as an individual. So I'm super excited to be interviewing Coach Kali as we dive into her background story which includes her nursing journey, her personal insights, patient perspective, and of course her educational insights, which we're going to be talking about mental health. But in this episode I love the fact that we're actually going to be talking about mental well being for career people like ourselves as nurses, as healthcare providers. Now, whether you're a nurse or not, but you're seeking clarity and some empowerment. Let's see what we can glean from Dr. Earl or Coach Kali, whatever you want to call her together and stick around so that you can find out how to connect with her on her social media outlets, her website, as well as how to find her book. And before we get started, I want you to take a moment to subscribe to this podcast from wherever you're tuning in from. And if you're already a faithful follower of all one nurse, then I just want to say thank you.
Thank you for joining me alongside this journey to get back to the human side of healthcare. Now as my subscribers grow, remember that my ability to reach more listeners will grow as well as my reach for more awesome guest speakers. So without further ado, let's get right into it. Hi, Coach Kali. How are you doing?
[00:03:18] Speaker B: I'm doing good. How about yourself?
[00:03:20] Speaker A: I'm doing great. Welcome. Welcome to all my nurse podcast. I'm glad you're on here with me today.
[00:03:25] Speaker B: I'm excited to be here.
[00:03:27] Speaker A: Yes. Now I have to tell people how we met. And so we actually connected on TikTok.
And I was sitting there, I was doing a devotion. Like, we had been following each other for a minute on TikTok, but I was telling you as we were preparing for this episode that I was doing a devotion, and I was just like, okay, God, you've brought me this far. Who's my next guest speaker? And I told you. I was like, people are going to think I'm crazy because I went on your page and you were actually talking about your new book, Unlock the infinite mind. Unlock your infinite Mind, the starter kit. And I was like, let me just click on this and see what she's talking about.
[00:04:05] Speaker B: Right?
[00:04:05] Speaker A: And I clicked on it, and you were sitting there talking about your book, and in the window behind you, there were crosses across the street. And I was like, okay, God, you don't. You don't just speak to me like this.
[00:04:15] Speaker B: Right?
[00:04:16] Speaker A: But I reached out to you and God did the rest. And so I'm so glad that we're here.
It's funny you say that.
[00:04:24] Speaker B: I went back and watched that video and it was prominent, but I didn't even notice it was there. I was telling it literally lined up right behind me.
[00:04:35] Speaker A: Yes. I'm telling you, they can go to your TikTok and they can see what I'm talking about. But welcome, welcome. Now, with every guest speaker, you know, where we start at is tell us about you. What's your origin story, and how did you get into nursing?
[00:04:52] Speaker B: Oh, that's such a great question. I've been in the medical field for 20 years now. I started at 17 doing just resident, like, companionship.
And then I joined the military, and I was there for two years. And then I went to the Guard. I'm like, oh, I gotta find something. Um, so I went back to doing that, and I ended up doing CNA work, but I really wasn't sure about nursing. It was kind of one of those things, like, let me test it, let me see. And it was really just because, you know, in the companion world, it's just different how you view nurses. So I end up going to an assisted living and actually seeing nurses from a different point of view. Um, I really wasn't. So then I did a PCT course, patient care technician. So I was like, CNAs, but then you learn the phlebotomy part. And then after that, I kind of figured I was good at at it. I really love the Jerry patient. So I was like, okay, if you're going to do what you might, well, you know, do it at a different level. So. So that's how I took my steps. I ended up doing a community college, got my RN at a two year degree, and then I did my bachelor's online and I worked a bit and I was like, okay, I'm go ahead to the master level. And I was adamant to be done with that. I was like, okay, I got my master's level, I'm not going back to school. I'm good. And then two years later I went back to get my dnp, so.
[00:06:13] Speaker A: Really?
[00:06:14] Speaker B: Yeah. So I really just kind of. It shows me. I would tell people. A lot of nurses have a good story about how they always wanted to be a nurse. I've always wanted to be a teacher, which is, I do teach now, but nursing actually gave me that opportunity. So it ended up being full circle for me.
[00:06:31] Speaker A: Oh, that's awesome. Now, when you got your master's, you said your master's actually in family and nurse practitioner, right?
[00:06:37] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:06:38] Speaker A: Did you just do nurse practitioner? Okay. Okay. And then went in to do. Went on to do your dnp. Get your dnp?
[00:06:45] Speaker B: Yeah, my. I just did a family nurse practitioner. At the time I wanted to. I was debating between psychiatric nurse practitioner or family. And one of my instructors that taught me in undergrad, she was like, well, if you're unsure, just know once you specialize, you're kind of stuck there. But if you go family, you can get an opportunity to work in it, to know if it was for you. Which was really one of the best things, because soon as I finished my family, I was able to work into psych to see if I could. A lot of places now rarely hire family nurse practitioners. They want psychiatric nurse practitioners. But I've been very fortunate to have different contracts to be able to work in psych as a family nurse practitioner.
[00:07:27] Speaker A: Awesome. Awesome. And that's, that's another thing that's awesome that you mentioned that the last speaker that I interviewed that did mental health, she was actually, she has her doctorate, but her specialty was in psych. And if anyone wants to go back and listen to that episode, Grace and Empathy in Mental health care with Dr. Latoria Boylan. And so with that, I think that it's awesome that you went into psych but with nursing, it's like there's so many different specialties that you didn't limit yourself to just psych, but you still got the opportunity to work with psychiatric patients. So I think that's awesome. Now tell me, for my nursing students, I always have to ask, what were some of your biggest challenges? Especially like coming through nursing school and.
[00:08:10] Speaker B: From degree to degree, I would say undergrad. Peds was one of the hardest classes for me. Not only under, that was hard for me in graduate too. I think my mind just could not wrap around all the differences. It was like, literally, you got these adult numbers, you know, you just stick to it. Then you got these little kids got all different stuff. So I was very fortunate. One of my instructors in my graduate program, she was adamant about me studying the specialty. So if it's a student at school, I teach mental health now. So I always tell my students, like, you have to study a mental health book. We don't actually like, teach you nurse kind of learning mental health. We teach you mental health. So you have to learn it as if you're going to be a mental health nurse or a ped nurse. So once I got the peds book NCLEX style questions, I was able to understand the PED style, but I kind of was coming from an adult just, you know, adult point of view and not understanding how they would answer it. So once I kind of got that. But peace was hard, mom and baby. So those areas is just funny.
Yeah. And it's funny though, because I tell students, did you always want to do mental health? I did not. I did not. I did not have my best experience. We just, you know, clinicals are hard. As an instructor now, I understand getting every student to get a great clinical orientation. And just where I had my clinical, I didn't get the full look into what psych nursing was. So I didn't have something to spark me to say, oh, I want to do this. So I just didn't. It didn't come until after I graduated and got a job, is when I. When I found psych. So.
[00:09:43] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:09:45] Speaker B: I remember I always say, studying is a skill.
So anything I approach now, even with the students, I'm always nervous. I know that if I put the work in, I'll do it. But it wasn't like it just breezed through. It's just like one week at a time. Like, I wasn't even like, oh, where's graduation? Like, I'll get through this week. That's when you learn this kind of thing. So I will Say I got to enjoy the journey of it because I didn't focus totally on graduation. I just wanted to make sure I knew what I was doing and I would be ready in the end. So.
[00:10:15] Speaker A: Okay, so what I heard you say was you said, studying is a skill, which is. Which is so true because everyone that I've asked about, their biggest challenges was how to study coming through nursing school. And so that's definitely a good one. A good insight is studying is a skill. And then the next thing I heard you say was not rushing to graduation, but just truly trying to understand the content.
That's good. That's very impactful because then you want to understand your. And I think this goes back to, like, your why for even choosing nursing. And like you said, sometimes it finds us.
[00:10:53] Speaker B: And because it found me, I didn't want to be skipping anything.
[00:10:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:58] Speaker B: So it was like, okay. And I didn't even know, like, you know how at the end you get to choose your preceptor. Everybody kind of knew where they were going. I was like, hey, just put me anywhere. I figured out I had a preceptor on a GI floor, you know. Yeah. And it was interesting, but I didn't go in with any knowing of what to do. So I was grasping to learning. And it was like that beginning, like, my first, I mean, really five years of my nursing. Like, it was just, if they're teaching, I'm there. Like, I just. Yeah. So when people know what they want to do, I really, like, I have nurses. Like, I don't want to do mess, surf. I want to be a mom, baby, nurse. I'm like, go for it. I just wasn't a nurse to have that. So I had to go through a different route. But if they know, I do encourage them to focus. I don't try to defer them for anything because some people just know. And I was a nurse who had to discover it while being a nurse.
[00:11:50] Speaker A: Yeah, that's how I was. I wanted to originally do oncology, but then in clinicals, I realized oncology is not for me. Mom and baby was definitely not for me. And I ended up starting on a med surg step down, which was a good medium between med surg and icu, because for me, I knew I didn't know enough to work in icu. Like, I just knew me, my conscious and my anxiety level. Like, I knew not to go to icu, but I had some classmates that actually went to icu, did great. And they are actually a nurse provider now, advanced nurse practitioner now. And So I think that's awesome. And so as a student, I always say, pray about it and go in with an open mind. And I have faith that you'll end up where you are supposed to be and you'll just learn along the way. Like you said, you started on GI and here you are in psych. So it's just amazing where nursing may lead you, especially when you.
[00:12:47] Speaker B: I say it to the students.
Can you do it every day?
Right. I went into. I would be in orientation. It was good that day, and I could visualize, could you come in here every day and give this. So things that I did, like, in school, I liked it, but I'm like, could you do it every day? So I always ask students, like, when you're in school, really consider, like, because you're going to be working, you know, it's not just going to be a student observing. You're going to be doing this work. So I knew someplace, I'm like, oh, this is good. But for today, yeah, that's good.
[00:13:19] Speaker A: And 12 hours is a long time when you work, working in a hospital setting. Thank you for that insight. Now, getting right into patient perspective is where I take my long pause. Tell us more about your experience caring for patients.
[00:13:33] Speaker B: Patient care, to me is just the bulk of what I. I mean, it's everything for me. I actually tell my students all the time, like, you can pronounce words better than me, you can probably pass higher tests than me, but I swear, you cannot outcare me with a patient.
So I stand on that to this day, like, I'm still on the floor, like, oh, you need ice. You need to get. Okay, no problem.
[00:13:56] Speaker A: And some of the patients are like.
[00:13:57] Speaker B: No, you can't do that. I'm like, no, we can. And I will. So because I did companionship, I think it built a lot into me to take care of patients, you know, holistically. So in the hospital, I would spend a lot of time just to. And I think that's how mental health has just grew in me because it's like, well, how do you feel? Or. And I always ask permission. You know, I learned as a nurse, like, and when you go in really young, you know, patients are skeptical of your. Not because they don't think your knowledge is life experience.
So I always joke with my younger students. I was like, hey, my son's 12. If he gets licensed, would you let him take care of you? And they like I said, that's how we feel. So always ask permission to your patient. Hey, I'm your nurse. Today, would you mind if I do this?
And I'm just embedded in what the patient really needs from us. Because I say I don't work at a resort. They don't want to be here. Right. It's the most awkward time for them. The worst thing I could do is make it worse for them, you know, so I'm very committed into what they need, like I said. And it's the small things, it's the ice, it's the extra cover, it's the dim, the light, it's knocking on the door. You know, I noticed through my career, the smaller things I did, the more rapport I built with them. Yeah. So to me, it's every, even as an mp going in the room, I'm there, I'm eye level, I'm pulling up a chair. I'm very aware without patients, I don't have a job. Right. Even though it is a job, I would say if every patient left this hospital, where will we be?
[00:15:24] Speaker A: Right.
[00:15:24] Speaker B: So it's a two way street for me. And that's one reason I continue to teach. I want them to go out there knowing, like, yes, we have a important position, but without them, we don't have that position. Like, we can't do anything right. So, yeah, it's centered. My everything centered my mental health, just their being. Because some of the medical stuff I can't change, but I can help them feel human.
[00:15:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, that's good. And when you say that, it's just like, Chick fil a, thank you for allowing me to care for you. Like, you're very grateful to be serving this patient population. And unlike Chick fil A, we're talking about a human being. We're talking about, you know, it doesn't matter if you throw the meal away, if you got it, ordered a meal from Chick fil A, but it does matter if somebody loses their life, you know, in the healthcare setting. And so it's like we have to be intentional about our patient care and having and building a rapport and a relationship with patients. And I'm so glad that you spoke on that because sometimes I feel like we've even discussed over the phone, like, am I the only one? Am I the only one that care enough to say, how are you? Tell me about your feelings. How are you feeling? I know we don't have enough time in the day, but we have enough time to introduce ourselves, to ask them how they're doing, to try to make a connection outside of just what they're admitted for or what their diagnosis is. Like get to know the person, not just checking off tasks. Right. So thank you for sharing that valuable information.
Now, I think you've already given some good advice, but is there any other advice that you would give new nurses that starting out and taking care of patients?
[00:17:04] Speaker B: Just know that it's absolutely a privilege to be a nurse and a privilege to serve your community. Again, no one asks to be in the hospital for whatever reason or education wise, and we get a privilege. Like to me, I always knew before I went in that building, I'm like, okay, Lord them, your people, right? I'm you're going to give me what to say. I don't know what they need, I don't know if they're missing, but you're allowing me to be this tool. So the privilege to serve people. I got to meet so many people. I knew that if I saw them in a grocery store, we probably wouldn't have communicated. If I would have passed them, I would have never had an opportunity to meet that many people without nursing. So the opportunity that new nurses get to build and help people's life is like, I know we care, but it's really a little more privileged to say, oh, I get to serve them in the midst of their vulnerability.
[00:17:51] Speaker A: That is awesome. Now, getting right into your educational insights, your mental health background and just being a virtual nurse practitioner, I know that with what's been going on in the media, in the news up to this day, with violence, dealing with healthcare professionals, you know, virtual doesn't sound too bad for a lot of advanced providers. And so what does your role look like as a virtual nurse practitioner?
[00:18:20] Speaker B: So again, because I am family, I consider myself as a level one provider when it comes to mental health. So I deal with like anxiety, I deal with depression, I deal with small crisis and I deal with bipolar one. Anything outside of that I refer to a psychiatric nurse practitioner or to a psychiatrist. I also collaborate with therapists because I don't have a therapist. I do life coaching, transformation coaching, but anything that's rooted in childhood trauma or anything I do refer out. I love my refer system holistically because I am telehealth. I get to collaborate with a lot of people. So my nutritionist, so I've learned in my career what I'm good at and the things I'm not good at, I send them to the people who are good at. So for me, I got my first experience in 2020 with telemedicine. Everything was shut down and we couldn't do stuff. So I was actually doing some nurse Practitioner, Medicare, Medicaid assessments. I was going into the homes, but we weren't able to, so we had to start doing questionnaires over a phone. Um, and then this new company came out that was doing telehealth mental illness. And I got a position and it was just, oh my gosh. Because I always thought like, how can you take care of someone over the phone? And with that I saw a different population than I knew.
So I saw a need for people that looked like you. And I. I was getting different people that was hospitalized when I was a nurse to actually seeing people deal with it every day. So I saw the need of a mom who's busy and needs to make sure that she's okay on her 15 minute break.
So here I got a different population of mental health patients I didn't know that existed because in our field as a mental health nurse, we dealt with who was in hospital. So in our hospitalization to me is like an er, it's acute, it's an emergency. But on telemedicine you're not dealing with the acute, you're dealing with people who's managing, maintaining, possibly could be getting a little off. So when I learned that I knew telemedicine would work because I was dealing with professionals, I was dealing with people who were dealing with this 2020 crisis. They don't have a mental health disorder, but they're dealing with mental health issues. So it opened my eyes to where I am today, actually meeting people who may have anxiety of the white coat syndrome, may have those issues medically, assess them to see if it's medical causing you to feel mentally off or is it true, something mental. So on a telehealth services, we still do checking for thyroids, check their labs, checking to make sure to see if anything medically is causing that. So we can clearly go into my coaching because again, I'm not psychiatric nurse practitioner, so I have to clear myself medically. I do still do coaching and transformation for those, but I like to go through the medical side first because if your thyroid's off, you know this, if these things are off, you're not going to feel good. You know, if you're vitamin B12, it's like if you those things and everyday people, you know, working class people, they just, they're not checking, they don't have the time and they're busy. So like I said, I can get someone on a lunch break, right? Hey, I need you to give me these labs. I just looked at them. So even though I get to be in front of them for maybe 30, 45 minutes. I do a lot in the background form so they don't have to slow their day down. And so like I said, once they get the labs, we are able to get labs that's closer to them or I'm able to set up satellite to do whatever we need. So medically I'm still able to do that. But a lot of my clients are very professional or they'll bring me labs, they'll do things. They're just trying to get to the root of the problem. And I will say I never thought about the protection part until you mentioned it, but it's definitely for those clients who are a nurse practitioner. If you don't have a critical chronic care, it is a pretty different way of doing things. But I found it to be very beneficial with everybody's busy schedule that, I mean, I can't tell you how many people I talk to, lunch break or in the, in the car line, you know, they get there early, get that car line visit. And we're like, okay, we got it, we got you good, we got your prescription reorder, you know, all these things. And they still get to go through their day so different. Because in 2013, if you would ask me this, I would have been like, nope, no, no, we cannot take care of people over a computer. Like, I would, I really thought that human touch, But I think FaceTime and technology lets you really be connected. And so just to see how humans can connect even if we're not there, has really been a privilege and impressive.
[00:23:00] Speaker A: Yes, thank you for that insight. And one thing, one of my questions were going to be about how do you keep your clients engaged or your patients engaged over telecommunication. And then in addition to that, I'm so excited because one thing you spoke on is the fact that we're talking about everyday people, career oriented people. And so getting to this mental well being, not just saying we have a mental illness, but just our mental well being that consists of everyone. And so I'm sitting here, I'm working, I'm doing all the things, but I'm still struggling with anxiety or struggling with depression, whatever the case may be. And so to have someone, because I'm busy, because I'm wearing a thousand hats, as a mom, as a wife, as a nurse, as a, you know, a church member, just whatever, all the, a book club member, whatever it is. So as an individual, I think it's awesome to have Telecommunication now. And like you said, the video part of it makes it a little more personal. Because you can actually see each other. But how do you keep patients engaged when it comes to just telecommunication itself? Like how do you keep them engaged when we know it's beyond a medical diagnosis?
[00:24:16] Speaker B: I genuinely give them the opportunity. I always tell my patients, this is a place just for you.
Right. I need to hear about you. I don't want to hear about who outside of you or anything. We'll get to it. But I need to let you have the time to you. Because we live life looking out, rarely we look inward. So in the beginning I'm still bidding report like I did with that bell. So I work just as equally hard. I'm here for you and I got to get them to really trust that. Right. So normally it's like you tell me and I'm asking this because I have science, I have a medical and I have all this. I have no degree in you.
Right. So I need you to collaborate with me so I can take the science that I've been gifted with, but you give me that and we make it work. So a lot of times that just brings them into me that I'm not here to be such an expert in them, just the expert in science that because what you tell me, I'm able to connect with it. So a lot of them truly, again, because they're professional, they're busy that I just want you because a lot of times people get mad when we ask a lot of questions. Right? Right. So I have to explain to them like you're the expert in yourself and I need some critical information from you. I need you to give me this so I can give you the science behind it. And it normally works pretty good. And the first or second one, I mean, I can't get them to stop telling me stuff then because I'm like, this is good. This is, this is how I know because I personally. When do we stop to say anything about ourselves? So the opportunity for them to call and just talk about they self is like magnificent. And then they'll say, oh, I needed this. Oh, I need. They know, they need to check in and do it. And it's a privilege for me to even be that space for them because a lot of my stay patients, they grow to go give back. Right now they're telling other people how to slow down their day and how to do so. Yeah, that's just been a great thing. And it's amazing to me because you know, God's like given and I'm like, it seems so simple, but obviously it's missing. Right? It was missing for me. And by me doing my telehealth is how my book came because I said, well, what about the people who never get to talk to me?
You know, what could I say to them? So the report is always generally say I'm here for you and what you give me is what I can put my specialty with. But I don't have a specialty in you.
[00:26:47] Speaker A: That's good. I don't have a specialty in you.
I love that. And so with your book, tell us a little bit about your.
[00:26:55] Speaker B: So my book is really designed for that mental health challenges we have. I wouldn't say issue. This is just life. So my first is unlock your infinite mind. Because you know, we be. Do not be conformed to the world. Be renewed by your mind. That mind, yes. Oh my gosh, our mind is so powerful. I did not know that we could reroute and recreate and re. You know, you could you. I would say to me this year I'm expecting to be unrecognizable.
So in the mind, right? It starts there. So the book is. The first four chapters talks about emotions I think everybody can relate to. So it's a. It's trapped, confused, frustrated and helpless. And we normally get that we first feel limited, we feel like there's nothing I can do. Now we're frustrated about it, then we're confused. And once we get to a helpless place, some of us get stuck there and don't think we can ask for help, which is really such a great place to be. Because once you get ready to ask for help, that means you've done everything you can do.
But I wanted to capture in that each chapter talks about why we have like really real reasons why you have a trap. Like you either got some expectations there, some limitations. So I really wanted to break it down because I didn't want people to feel like what's wrong with me? No, you're naturally going through some emotions we all go through. If you live on this earth long enough, we having them. Right. So each little chapter says why we have an why you feel helpless, why you're confused right now. And it kind of brings us back. But the last four chapters is a framework that I use is press. And I always say when life hit pressure on us, we press back. So to get out of those emotions, we use P for purpose. Find that purpose driven vision like your why. Like you said, that why will line you back up and make you remember why you started.
R is resilience. But you can't have resilience without reflection. So some of us go, go, go, go. And I'm like, wait a minute, I understand you can get up and move, but what about that reflection? You're missing something there. So resilience can cause us to be numb to life.
So I want to have resilience with reflection. So you can actually say, I am angry about this. Doesn't mean you don't stop. You just need to acknowledge that. And then any emotional intelligence. And that was a big one for me. Like, being very educated and being smart and people expecting these things, but actually having the intelligence to know how to use the emotion and when to say and not to say what's really a growth for me. And then the S's are strategic plan, strategic execution. Because we can't do anything without a plan. And if we. And you got a plan, but with no action, we're still there. So that's the press. So it's like divided. And my book is up, and I tell people I love it because it's an everyday read. You can literally like, oh, I'm feeling this way today. Boom. I'm going straight to it. Okay, this is. Okay, I got it. I'm good, you know, or, yeah, I feel like I've got a plan. What's next? You know? And I made it very readable. If you literally sit down on a good day, you could read it 15 or 30 minutes. And it's because it's a repeat. And I know that because of therapy, because of medication, it's nothing we do in life without repeat. And I didn't want to have something so thick that if you're really having mental challenges, you're not trying to read no large book. Right. Get to the point. I'm feeling this way. Why am I feeling this way kind of thing. So. But the mental, like your infinite mind is a program I have. And because I was repeating these same things, like, over and over, like, oh, it's going in a book. Because without. If they can't get in touch with me, I want them to have a. Yeah. So that's. That's what it is. So it really is all about our challenges. And everything in the book I experience so. And really had to go into myself to understand. And I had those feelings, like, what's wrong with me? Why I'm not happy with my nursing career, why I'm not happy with these things, or why I'm not fulfilled. Like, I had all these questions, you know, and because who I am, I want to ask.
I was determined to find it yes.
[00:30:58] Speaker A: Yes. Now, when I was listening to your interview on Women Thrive Media, it was like when you talked about, you're looking outward and, you know, you go from degree to degree to degree, and we're looking outward, but then in order to feel fulfilled, we gotta start looking internally, like, start looking inward. And I was like, that's so good. So good. And then you talked about also being authentic, like, being your. Your authentic self in every aspect of your life in so many ways. And so I just love how you really brought that around, full circle of just being yourself. Like, who am I as Chanel? Who am I as Chanel? But I'm also that same Chanel as a nurse, as a mom, as a wife, and not feeling like I have to show up in a different way for my career or at home for my kids. And so it was so good to even just think about that, because it do make me self reflect and really look at who am I? Who am I? So thank you for even sharing that information. Now I feel like we've tied virtual nurse practitioner and your role as a transformational life coach in together as well. So just diving into your role as a professor, how do you engage your students? Because I'm so big on just wanting to reach the nursing students or those aspiring to be nurses. Like, how do you engage?
[00:32:25] Speaker B: And it's so, like, my student is, like, ecstatic. I stepped away from teaching for one year to go internal medicine, and I missed it so much. I was like, okay, guys, I'll go prm. But I've got to go back to teach. Students keep me on my feet. Students remind me of the hope of nursing. They remind me of, you know, they got this light in their eyes to stream. They're trying to get to this finish line. And my goal is to get them there, but my goal is for them to leave with something I didn't have. And that was saying how to use nursing as a tool and not as your identity. So I want to, because I am a nurse, because of who I am makes me a better nurse, not because I'm a nurse. And this takes over everything in my life, right? So with them, I connect. And it's so funny. I swear, it's just like my patients. I'm like, I hear you, I see you, and I'm here for you. And when they leave, they're repeating that like we like, this is mental health, right? Therapeutic communication starts with restating. Let me make sure I heard you correctly, right? So I get a privilege to teach students therapeutic communication, which is Aligned, right? And I say, this is where you learn in nursing how to slow down enough to see a patient.
It's not going to be a number to tell you what's wrong. They have to tell you, but you got to know how to ask, right? You know, so with my students, because I am mental health, it's the same thing. I know when they come in and they're not feeling good, I know when they're there and I'm like, hey, okay, we're here, come on, you need a five minute break. And I do have, I've worked for 30 different universities. I've always used, worked in mental health and I've always had the privilege to be me in these positions. So I see their students, they're not my patients, but I see them as I play a critical part to where they're going and I want them to go and have that journey. So I try to do slow them down in the midst of it because I remember, I tell them I'm a forever student. Who knows when I go back to school, who knows when something else is knocking at my door. So I never want to get too far from that. But I do let them know, they express theyself to me, it's just a wonderful opportunity. But they leave knowing I absolutely care and it's a privilege. When they say, can you pin me? You know, can you those, those things come back and just. But it's always like, look, as a nurse, look, I know you're going to get the heat. I need you to always, never forget you. And it's just little things that makes me, you know, they'll get the mental health class, they'll pass the test. It's the little nuggets I get to throw in there, like, hey, check on yourself. You know, hey, don't forget this. So I, I spent a good time in my first day orientation talking about them as a student, not just a nurse, as a person, as in school, as a mom. All those things I bring out because I know there's going to be the same things on their mind, right? So let's just go ahead and be honest. I'm aware, right. I am very aware of what you're thinking about them, like you're trying to learn. But, you know, and we do a lot of little mental health practices to help them to clear space. Like, it's funny, everybody, I do the same. They mind running, racing, race, race. I said, just state of fact, your brain looks fast. So in the test, I'm like, the sky's blue. They know. So it's just little nuggets I get to share with them because I don't have the curriculum of all the patho and all the fundamentals. Right. I'm doing mental health, so we get to talk about their mental health. So I'm very fortunate to teach that because it gives me time to learn them and for them to learn their selves.
[00:35:53] Speaker A: That's awesome. I love how you say that. Nursing is not a tool. Nursing is a tool. Correction. But it's not our identity.
It's not our identity. I have the pleasure of meeting new nurses as they're graduating out of school, nursing school, and they're coming into the hospital setting as a staff development specialist.
So I get to see all these different nursing students or new nurses, nursing graduates, and they go out to work in med, surge, icu, whatever specialty. And when I see them, some are just defeated, and I'm like, wait a minute, let's step back. Let's talk about this.
Let's talk about this. How. How are you doing? How are you? Are you taking care of you?
You know, are you taking care of you? And so I feel like they just get in this. This rut to where they're just like, working, working, working. And we all know you can work 12 hour shifts. That fourth day that you're off, it's like you need the whole day to reset. Like, don't. Just don't even call me because I'm probably sleep the whole day. Like, you can't do anything. So it's like, how do. As new nurses, I can only imagine how it is now versus how it was when I was at the bedside, especially post Covid with so much anxiety, so many different personalities. And I think we've talked about, you know, you mentioned just being overly exposed. Like, so everyone is just overly exposed with technology, with news and all of this. So we all got these emotions, and you have patients dealing with what they're dealing with, and sometimes they're not the nicest. And so as a new nurse, you're learning how to be a nurse and provide therapeutic communication, or you hadn't said anything, and you're getting lashed at and cursed at, and that's just a whole nother topic. So it's like some of them are young and they're entering a healthcare culture that is definitely a lot more different than how it was when I started nursing back in 2011.
With that, I thank you for sharing your insight.
[00:38:04] Speaker B: And I think that's why the mental awareness is important. It's not about mental disorders. Right. It's about our mental awareness. So I know what the nurse is going to face. So again, I feel committed to them, to warn them, to aid them, to be a support to them, to know that this is not, again, this is not a race. This is America. You have the ability to learn at your pace.
[00:38:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:38:32] Speaker B: And not look at your peers and say, you know, I can't tell you how many students come to me and say, well, I had this class though. I had to get them a lot. I said, no self negative talking here. Like, no, no, no. I do it so slow. I'm like, slow is good. Slow allows thinking. Right. So a lot of the is just self awareness of people knowing. And I think we're doing wonderful. This podcast, nurses podcasts, people are really allowing nurses to speak on how we feel is going to help the younger generation. And I know the younger generation have something we need from them. So I always let them, I know you're young. I know you feel like you don't have anything to offer, but that's not true. Right? It's not true. Because the way you research and know how fast you look up something, how quick, we need that. Right. But they're going to have the experience and we both need each other. So I always let them know, like, we can't change age and we can't change race. So you shouldn't spend your time worrying about it.
[00:39:30] Speaker A: Right. Like, we don't even.
[00:39:33] Speaker B: Like, I prove to people how much I care. I said, they will forget your race and they will forget your age.
[00:39:39] Speaker A: That's good. There's even scripture that talks about, don't let anyone tell you that you're too young, you know, especially when you're doing the right thing. And I love that you shared that insight for new nurses or for young, younger nurses, because you're correct. Your correct actions speak louder than words. Of course. And you know, we always say, it's not what you say, but it's how you said it. And Maya Angelou, what you say, people may not remember what you said, but they remember how you made them feel.
[00:40:08] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:40:09] Speaker A: So things like that. And so I thank you. I thank you for even bringing that up. And I think with being a professor, it's just an awesome way to really connect with, with nurses, with new nurses. And then I. And I hate when I hear nurses say, well, just give, give them a little while.
And I'm like, no, I'm the proof. You're the proof.
We don't have to get to a place to where we. We hate our job or we're just showing up to work. And I'm like, no. And I had to tell. I can't remember if she was a nursing student or intern or a new grad, but I remember telling her, don't let people feel. Make you feel bad for being in a good mood.
Like, when you go out there on those units, don't let other people make you feel bad for being in a good mood.
[00:40:55] Speaker B: I'm laughing because students say they really don't like happy people.
[00:41:00] Speaker A: I'm telling you. And. And I just tell them, you know, go create the culture that.
That you admire to be a part of. And it works.
[00:41:10] Speaker B: It works.
[00:41:11] Speaker A: I've seen it. You know, if you're part. If you're a big. Like, for me, I can remember starting on a unit, and there wasn't a lot of teamwork, but everybody did their job, but there just wasn't a lot of teamwork. And I just can remember. I'm like, a patient needed to go to surgery. And I'm like, okay, you go get a stretcher. You get a zole. I'll get a rainbow of labs. And they like, what? And I'm like, don't this patient need to go to surgery? And it was like, well, yeah, okay, come on, let's get this patient down to surgery. And I just can remember, like, something changed because it was no longer about us just doing our job and taking care of our patients. But, oh, we're here for the patient. The patient needs to get down to surgery and have emergency surgery. So it's like, how do we. And I. And I had told myself, like, hey, I'm going to just come in and do. And just do my job. And it's like, God told me, that's not. That's not how I created you.
No, just keep being who you are. And the opportunity presented itself to where now the. Well, then the culture just started to shift, and I had even some of the most seasoned nurses or the elder nurses be like, chanel, what you need? I'm like, you gonna help me?
And I'm like, oh, we just had a moment there, and I'm talking about.
[00:42:23] Speaker B: I have so many questions that you can't help, but I'm going over there regardless.
I need some help. I'm here. Yeah.
[00:42:31] Speaker A: I'm not afraid.
[00:42:32] Speaker B: I tell the students all the time. I said, you know, I learn. The patient don't know you. They don't know your last name half the time. They don't know your family. They don't know anything about you, so it's never personal. The nurse that's angry on the floor, the nurse that's mean, that's an internal thing. You can't let that change. They don't know enough about you to cause you not to be you. You know, and a lot of students appreciate that when I tell them like, you know, I don't like when we go places and we're not received. But my goal is your graduation.
Yeah. So I need to know when to be mama bear or teacher bear however I need to be. Or I say, nah, we good. We have a good. Because we're going to have a good clinical regardless.
We're going to have a good 12 hour shift regardless.
[00:43:18] Speaker A: So you already prophesied that it doesn't.
[00:43:21] Speaker B: Matter what they ask me. I'm going to be here 12 hours regardless. Like I'm not dying to go sit at nurse station. I can't even sit next still that long. So I'm not.
Yeah, yeah, look, gotta find something. I really want to pour that to them so they just because, you know, some cultures will pull you into. We're just here to do just this, like. No, we have 12 hours to produce and be creative and you get to go home and do whatever. So I'm glad you mentioned that because I'll pass them and I, because I'm gonna ask the question. It do shift the atmosphere. It does.
[00:43:52] Speaker A: That's good.
Now talking about internal, talking about that, looking inward. Because that's what really drew me. Because this one, this episode is personal for me. It's personal for me because I am constantly trying to be self aware of myself and like you said, emotions, like identifying my emotions. I'm a very bubbly person. I could be. And what I've learned is that I'm very passive.
But I'm working on not just being passive, but also showing up where it matters most, making my no matter saying no and setting boundaries to where it matters the most. And not being passive at the extent of my own comfort.
[00:44:33] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:44:33] Speaker A: If that makes sense or it doesn't help the situation. If I'm being passive and I'm learning that conflict is necessary to ch to make an improvement. If you're trying to improve or progress in an area like, you have to learn to be uncomfortable, you have to be okay with conference confrontation in a way. I don't know if I'm using the correct term on that, but you gotta be okay with conflict. And so just me personally like looking inward, it's like, okay, Chanel, God, did make you very kind. I love to show mercy, but you also gotta show up on the flip side of that. No. A no is needed at this moment because if you don't say no, then there is gonna be a fallout on the other end of it because you. You failed to say no because you don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. I don't know. I feel like I'm beating around the bush.
[00:45:22] Speaker B: But you're. It's funny you mentioned that, because it's correlated with who we are as nurses. We're taught to give and not be. You know, we just had a question on the test about disenfranchised grief, meaning who gets to grieve properly and who don't. And one of the answers was that a nurse who had a patient that dies, and basically they were saying that because she was the nurse, she couldn't grieve in that moment because the family had to grieve. So as nurses, we learn to be passive. We don't deal with our emotions on the floor. We wait to the end of the shift, and sometimes by the end of shift, we don't deal with it. We just go home and keep going. So as we grow as nurses is why we want to give so much back to younger nurses. Saying no, you got to check those feelings because you'll bring it home to become humble.
And I learned how I learned not to be in that place is that I was using humble as a misrepresentation of God. Thought I was being humble, but I was denying my gift that he gave me, which didn't add up with who he is. Right. So I'm saying, well, no, I can't do this right now. Not now, or someone's gonna think so I'm constantly denying the gift, thinking I'm being humble. And when that revelation came, it just was like. Like you're way off. Like, you're your way off. Right? So now the boldness of the gift doesn't say I'm not humble. It has to be used so that if that boundary is going to interfere with my gift, I have to say no. You know, And I think because of. You seem very similar to me. As long as it aligns with him, I can do it. It's just those times I haven't gave myself space to know that's what he wanted for me, you know, so now it's a little easier to say no's. And I realized I've heard it years that you only can get from your overflow.
Quite didn't Understand it, right? I didn't, I didn't get it. I thought because I was the one in the family who had a degree, I had to stop and help everybody. I was the one that was blessed to do these things. So I had to do it. Not realizing my cup wasn't even full enough to give.
Now I'm more strategic that to really help those who didn't get to become a nurse, who didn't get to finish school. You got to be in overflow, right? Because you'll be depleted. And I always tell my coaching, it's funny, I say this because I meet people and I call them the one. You're the one in the family.
[00:47:47] Speaker A: The one needs to pull through.
[00:47:48] Speaker B: You're the one who the family depends on. You're the one. And I said, ones need to connect with ones because those family members can't understand the people you want to identify with. They can't do it. But if you connect with a one, you ain't got no explanations, right? Because we know we got it, we like it, right? So I say, don't force the people around you to be your network. Align with who you be. And they will reap everything from you. They'll reap like just this interview, right?
[00:48:16] Speaker A: The.
[00:48:16] Speaker B: The beauty of connecting to you will all feed other people. So that's how I just realized that I'm beating myself up trying to be humble in a space it's not designed to. The boldness of your gift is what the overflow. So when it starts flowing and I, I go to lunch, like yesterday I went. My son had a basketball game. He had a teammate. We went to go eat. His mom's a mental health counselor, just started her own practice. So I'm like, okay, this allowance working like this is. This is. This is the thing they would say. Yeah, really well, so it's now. So that took work for me that. Because I wanted to know what I hid behind homeless. I didn't even know I was doing it, but it just was my word. I'm. I'm just humble. My time will come.
[00:49:00] Speaker A: It's okay.
[00:49:01] Speaker B: It's. It's coming. And my niece, like, do you know who you are? Yes.
[00:49:07] Speaker A: Yes. And I could say that for me, I am more confident in myself. Not that I've ever been like, right. Like low self care.
[00:49:14] Speaker B: It's not that it's a really a true, genuine of I'm a good person and I want to be a good person and I want to stay a good person kind of thing. And I tell my Students that they. The things that had me fearful of not being a good person was like, that couldn't happen.
The reality, you could never be a bad person. It's not in your DNA. It never happened in all these years. So you're literally afraid of something that's not going to happen.
[00:49:42] Speaker A: So, yeah, all those things, all those.
[00:49:44] Speaker B: Nuggets, I really had to just sit with myself and learn that I was hiding behind it. And the things I was fearful of from other people, I saw people being bad people and I didn't want to be. That just. It was never actually designed in me. Right.
[00:49:59] Speaker A: That's how I ended up getting to where I am now. It's like as I was starting to learn who I was and on this journey of personal growth and actually looking inward at my own flaws and the things that I knew I needed to improve on because I just want to be better. I want to be better even. Even with some of my flaws. And I, and I talked about one of my TikToks where I can remember how I would be at work and I'm just serving everyone and doing everything. And then I got home and I realized I was being mean because I'm like, oh, y'all are well and able bodied and these dishes are in the sink. This is. And I'm like, But then I had to stop and. And that was a long time ago that I had to reflect and do this, but I had to stop and think and be like, wait a minute. They didn't tell me to choose nursing. That's not on them. That I went to this job and served for 12 hours and came home like that. No, don't do that. They don't deserve that. They do not deserve that. And so, and just fast forward to now, honestly, getting in programs that provide you that, that ability to grow because they're giving you something that you're seeking. It's just like you'll learn even in those programs, you're connecting with other people, other. Those ones just like me, who we're all interested in the same development.
And so it's just awesome. And if I tried to have the conversation about the content that we're learning to someone who's not in that same space or desiring the same thing, then, yep, they don't have the capacity to understand.
[00:51:32] Speaker B: And it's not a narrow mind and the gift. And I always say, do you want to be the one or do you want to be waiting on the one? So a lot of my friends like, yeah, well, I'm always I said, but do you want to be the one? Are you waiting on the one in the family to be? And I said, it's no different from Bible days. He's always had the one. If you watch, he always had the one. And they we had to answer. So. And I was like that with my children. I really wanted, I felt like my best was given at work and my worst is at home. And I'm like, if I left today, they'll have more beautiful things say about me than my home. Yeah. So I had to work hard to flip it.
And y'all, I asked, you said, how did you know it worked? I said, I watch my children, I watch my household. I see the peace, I see the responses. Like so that you watched that overflow of. Because it was enemy. You know, we hear diversity, whatever you are is what come to you. But that didn't line up with me in life. Like I just kept meeting things that I didn't feel like I was giving out, but I felt like energy wise I was because there's a lot of hesitation, a lot of rejection of me there. So it was a lot of things that didn't flow like it is now.
And I do know what time it comes. But like I said, if I can stop someone for 10 years, 12 years just to find you, then I'm going to do everything I can to help them get there sooner.
[00:52:53] Speaker A: That's good. Thank you.
[00:52:55] Speaker B: This is a great question because I'm.
[00:52:56] Speaker A: Telling you, is there anything else you would like to cover?
[00:52:59] Speaker B: I would like to tell new nurses to join an organization of nurses. You know, if it's we have black nurses, rocks. We have the AANPs, we have whatever organization with nurses you should join because when you're on the floor, you're going to feel like nothing's being changed. But it's organizations outside of the floor that are making changes for nursing. And I wasn't a part of one when I started, so I felt like the healthcare was not doing well. It was when I got an organization to see who was actually fighting down that legislation for us. So I feel like if they get and see that sooner, they won't feel so defeated because a lot of stuff seems limited. But as people are really out there working for us to have a better healthcare, that's true.
[00:53:41] Speaker A: What would you like listeners to take away from this episode?
[00:53:44] Speaker B: I would like for listeners to actually try to slow down a little bit. I'm only asking for five minutes three times a day. So I take it in the morning and I take it five minutes before I go in a car, and I take it five minutes before I come out, if you can afford more. And the only reason I say that, because if we can't give ourselves 15 minutes of God's time, then what are we doing with the time?
[00:54:10] Speaker A: That's good. You went deep. I just real quick, I'm telling you.
[00:54:12] Speaker B: I love my five minutes. I'm on it. I'm like, here. And a lot of people who actually are doing it, and they'll come back and say, oh, my gosh, what a big difference. Because it's an intentional five minutes. Turn the phone off. I'm just breathing. I'm just being present so that when I go somewhere, I'm already prepared what's coming. I expect someone to possibly make an environment difficult because no one's really healing. So you properly prepare for it so you're not caught off guard. So those five minutes in between one car, right before I even drive. I live here in Greenville. We've grown. I think we have 500,000 new people. Like, it's growing overly. I'm. I'm a native. And it's changing. So my route to work change. So these simple things cause us to not feel like ourselves, you know? So just take a break and all mom say, I can't. I can't. Five minutes.
I just want. I just want you to take those five minutes and just three times. That's 15 minutes a day. And what it does, it makes us, including me, realize how much we don't give to ourselves.
[00:55:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
Yeah, that's good. And even going back to my passiveness as we get ready to wrap up this episode, just.
It's like you're trying to show up for everyone else, make sure everyone else is good. Is my husband good? Are the kids good? And I was just telling another mom, I was like, look what I've learned because I got two back to back. Lay those kids down.
Lay them down 30 minutes, hour early. It's not gonna hurt them.
I said, as long as I don't smell smoke and they don't come out the room, I will have an hour to myself. And that's okay. Like, sometimes you have to be intentional about setting boundaries. Like, the kids are gonna be okay. I promise. They'll say.
[00:56:02] Speaker B: And they get a better version of you, right? So it's not even just the main thing being selfish. This is a gift. This is a gift. I'm not even upset because I gave time. So I just want even men, a lot of men in their action and the way they gotta move and maneuver, I'm like, just five minutes. Just, just a little five minutes to make sure. Should I say something or not? Whatever. They need to think in the five minutes. But I just know right now, as adults, we are very busy. And I learned that the cuz of God, he gave us dominion. And one thing we think we don't have dominion over is time. But if I can give me five minutes, I actually can shift the day for me.
[00:56:42] Speaker A: That's good.
Yes. And that's how I've spoke on that. Just doing my devotionals. Like it sets the tone for my day.
I can tell when I'm not like, grounded in the word of God, because immediately, as soon as you're bagging out the garage. Bagging out the garage, it's like, really? Y'all didn't see me just trying to get out, you know, why are you driving so fast?
[00:57:05] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:57:06] Speaker A: Through the neighborhood.
[00:57:06] Speaker B: Everything's like, I know it. That five. And I do five minutes in increments because I don't want to. I'm a studier because I know my length. I'll just study. But I'm not receiving. So I'm like, nope, five minutes. Yeah, take it in. Five minutes later. Take it in. So. And of course, like you said, I do get up to those hours. I said, well, you're so busy. I'm like, I ain't that busy. I get my breaks. Y'all don't see it, but I just took a nap earlier.
[00:57:32] Speaker A: Make it. You make your time where it's more valuable.
Make it where it's more valuable for you. And I'm definitely learning and I feel like doing that. Like even just full time job, podcasting small kids, just all the things, all the different hats and serving at church, it's like I feel like I'm not doing enough. Like when you start lining up with God and aligning yourself with what God has called you to do, called you to be, and it's like, okay, God. Or whether I'm uncomfortable, it's like there's growth. Like, you grow. Like when it's uncomfortable or when somebody challenges me. Like when you're talking about looking inward, being my own authentic self, saying no to the right things. I say yes to the, you know, saying no to some things, to say yes to the right things. Like, I'm like, okay, I want to be challenged. Because being challenged makes me grow. Being uncomfortable causes me to grow. And so I said all that to say, I don't.
[00:58:31] Speaker B: I'm glad you said it. Though because for those are chasing careers life's challenges. But I made myself the challenge my last degree I said I'm no longer going to chase external everything about me which is hard work because I like challenges. I tell people too your husband ain't your challenge either. Right. So challenges is glad you said that because as nurses we do, we are, you know, accomplish, accomplish, accomplish. But conquering me has enough challenges to keep me grounded. So when I flip that challenge from degree after degree to me, that's when the alignment in the authentic started to develop. You said that because I wanted to make sure that I just know we are such a go getter. But when you conquer your feelings, your emotions and your stability, it's no other challenge greater than that.
[00:59:21] Speaker A: Yeah, that's good. Thank you so much. Now tell us how can we connect with you?
[00:59:29] Speaker B: So I on my website it's www.coachcallie.com c o a c h c a l I and on my website at the bottom, it has all my social media connect to my Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, all those things. It's just easier to go to the website and click instead of giving all my handles and stuff. But go to my website, go to the bottom and on there I do I just like to give out more information on nursing or anything I can do. So that's the website you can find more information about me.
[00:59:59] Speaker A: Yes. Awesome. Now the podcast description will also list all the ways to connect with Coach Kali as well. So thank you so much for just being here.
[01:00:08] Speaker B: Thank you for having me.
[01:00:10] Speaker A: Now that's a wrap for today's episode of the All One Nurse podcast with our incredible guest, Dr. Kalisa Earle, aka Coach Kali. And we hope you've gleaned a lot of insight on mental well being and the importance of empathy and the empowerment that comes with self awareness and emotional intelligence. Now, Coach Kalli's book, don't forget about it, Unlock your infinite mind Starter kit is a valuable resource for anyone looking to better understand and evaluate or elevate their mental health, like myself. Now, whether you're a nurse or not, these principles are universal in helping all of us navigate life's challenges and to grow as individuals. And as always, if you haven't already, go ahead and subscribe to the All One Nurse podcast. And if you're a subscriber, feel free to share this episode with two to three people. Okay, maybe one person, but share this episode if anything in this episode has resonated with you. And as my subscribers grow, my ability to reach more listeners grow and I have the ability to reach more awesome guest speakers like Coach Kali, Sarah Lorenzini in my previous episode on Rapid Response, nursing Tiffany Cannon with her experience with having heart failure and wearing an lvad, and so many other guest speakers that I've already had the pleasure of interviewing. So with that, don't forget to follow me on social media. I'm on TikTok, Instagram and Facebook and YouTube. One nurse. And don't forget about Coach Kali to go to her website, coachcalli. And that's C-A-L I.com and I will drop a description in the Drop all the details to our social media and our websites down in the description below if you're tuning in on a podcast platform like Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And so, without further ado, thank you again for tuning in. As always, remember to let your light shine. And until next time, bye.
